Tuesday, October 18, 2016

Putting A Fork In It

Aside from the fact that I've been a regular reader over at Vox Popoli for well over a decade, I enlisted amongst the rank and file of the Vile Faceless Minions because I believe our Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil deserves all the credit and support he can get for taking his efforts to oppose the continuing convergence of our culture and society not just online as a keyboard warrior in the mindwars of cyberspace, but also in teh real life. He is leading the way showing those of us who are awake, that we don't have to take the continued SJW convergence of our institutions, social media and other mediums of thoughts and expressions lying down...that we CAN actually do something to fight back.

SJW's converged Science Fiction? Our Dark Lord went and co-founded his own damn publishing house and is now producing literary works with themes and narratives that have been largely suppressed by the traditional publishing houses seeking to control the narrative.

Alt-Right folks getting shadow-banned or outright banned on Twitter? He's one of the leading users and supporter for Gab, a new social media platform alternative, which unlike Twitter, is dedicated to upholding real free speech for it's participants.

While leading thousands on an exodus from an SJW converged mainstream social media platform and founding a successful publishing house of best-selling, politically incorrect literature are both major accomplishments by our Dark Lord in the 21st Century culture wars in our Brave New World Order, it his latest act of counter-insurgency that I hope grows into his most successful venture to date.

It is the badly needed and long overdue answer to the SJWs attempted control of the narrative by manufacturing consensus with heavy handed and persistent  censorship and suppression of politically incorrect topics on Wikipedia.

By forking the preeminent online encyclopedia of the world-wide Interwebz to establish Infogalactic: Planetary Knowledge Core, our Dark Lord has made what I think will ultimately prove to be his most significant contribution in leading the counter-insurgency against the SJWs global convergence efforts towards  totalitarian thought policing and mass mind control.


One of the first posts Vox made after the launch of Infogalactic, was to compare the Wikimedia page for Mike Cernovich versus the Infogalactic page for him. While the differences between the two pages are quite instructive and show precisely why Infogalactic was a badly needed alternative in the first place, the first thing I searched for when I checked out our Dark Lord's latest project, was to see if Infogalactic had a page for Thomas Ball.

To those of you who have frequented these fringes of the fever swamps on teh Interwebz for years now, that name may ring a bell. He was the man who self-immolated on the steps of a New Hampshire family court, in protest of the systemic injustice that had subjected him to divorce rape and parental alienation from his young children.

"Face it boys, we are no longer fathers...we are piggy banks."

I had stopped linking to Wikipedia over five years ago and avoided using it as much as possible myself during that time, after watching them memory hole Thomas Ball's page back in 2011. Looking for his page as my first search on Infogalactic gave me a surprise...it appears that the thought police at Wikipedia had  allowed a recent re-posting of a Thomas Ball page to remain published, since two "acceptable sources"  were cited by the recently re-created page.

The "acceptable sources" excuse is one of the primary means for Wikipedia's SJW editors at-large to rationalize and justify deleting any pages they deemed unacceptable to the politically correct narrative they seek to enforce. This is also one of the primary ways in which Infogalactic differentiates itself from Wikipedia. As Infogalactic's main page notes:

"The foundational principles by which Infogalactic operates are very different from the Five Pillars of Wikipedia. These principles are known as the Seven Canons of Infogalactic."

Wikipedia's second pillar, "All articles must strive for verifiable accuracy, citing reliable, authoritative sources..." was the previous justification for the deletion of Thomas Ball's page in 2011.

Here are a few Wikipedia Thought Police editors arguing for deletion of that page:

Delete - Most of the sources cited in the article are non-RS -- mostly opinionated blogs. From the few reliable sources, I conclude that this guy's life was pretty much of a mess and he committed suicide, choosing a highly visible method and leaving a long rambling note. That's all. The fact that men's rights bloggers have decided to reinvent him as a men's rights activist who died for their cause does not make it true, and it does not make the details of his biography notable. Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS, nor a memorial site, nor an online venue for promoting causes by turning deceased people into martyrs. --Orlady (talk) 18:24, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:NOTNEWS. Every day in many cities there are newspaper stories on topics like "local man kills self", "police officer shot and killed", and "convenience store clerk killed in robbery." The fact that those stories are published in reputable and reliable newspapers does not make the story topics into topics for encyclopedia articles. And Wikipedia doesn't base articles on what bloggers think. --Orlady (talk) 19:15, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Delete WP:BIO1E. 90% of the references are in context of people bloging about how horrible it is. Simply too soon to see how this is going to stick in the history. Not opposed when more verifyiable and reliable sources write about it. Hasteur (talk) 18:32, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Delete Fails WP:EVENT. The vast majority of the refs provided fail WP:RS. Blogs can't be used to establish notability. - Burpelson AFB ✈ 18:37, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Delete - no evidence of actual notability; see WP:BIO1E, WP:COATRACK and (odd though it might seem) WP:UPANDCOMING for my reasoning - the latter to address the "it's getting more famous everyday among people who read the same websites I do" arguments from people coming here as a result of the outside canvassing effort. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

In 2016, it seems that we finally have this verifiable accuracy from an authoritative and reliable source, as a new new page was published and allowed to stand just months before Infogalactic forked Wikipedia and went live. So now Thomas Ball has pages on both sites now.

While I consider that a good thing, it's still far too little, far too late. The undoubtedly financially compensated shills and would-be Thought Police of Wikipedia can go fork themselves. They have now been rendered obsolete. We have no reason any longer to ever have to deal with their censorship and subversion again, now that we have a viable alternative to use in their place.

Here's to making Infogalactic a success....I urge all who read this who blog and comment on teh Interwebz to eschew citing Wikipedia ever again. You now have the means to do so while still getting all of the utility Wikipedia used to provide, since it's all there on Infogalactic as well.

Tuesday, August 30, 2016

I Got Vaxxed

"No thank you, I don't want any shots."

"But you said you think it was a nail that cut you open...do you have any idea what tetanus lockjaw does to you? I've seen it, and it is terrible. There is no cure! I'm NOT letting you leave here without a tetanus shot."

"I will clean the cut out with povidine-iodine three times a day, I've had worse wounds than this. Besides, I had a tetanus shot within the last decade."

"Looking at your medical records right here, you haven't had one in twelve years. If you don't think you need it, than why did you come here?"

"Well, I thought I may have needed stitches, and I wanted to make sure the tendon had not been damaged."

"Ok....I still say you need a tetanus shot. You can still clean it every day with the Povidine surgical scrub, and in fact that is a good idea...but the tetanus may already be in your blood stream. You HAVE to get this shot! Of course I can't force you, but I'm telling you, you really should get the tetanus shot! Trust me, lockjaw is nothing to fool around with!"

"*Sigh*....alright, I'll take the shot"

"Perfect. I'll send the nurse in with it in a few minutes."

Letting the emergency room Doctor break down my resolve and convince me I needed the shot was a decision I would soon regret for months to come.

In my state of surrender and submission to his dogged insistence, I blithely signed the permission form in abject defeat without reading it, then gritted my teeth and let the nurse stick me with the vial of what I thought was just a tetanus shot.

Only after she withdrew the needle and bandaged the injection wound, did I bother to look down and read the release form I had signed just prior to the inoculation.

"Wait a minute...this isn't a Tetanus shot, it's the DTaP Vaccine?!!?" Why did I have to get the vaccine for Diptheria and Pertussis too?"

"They don't make a single Tetanus shot anymore. Besides, now your inoculated against Pertussis...you do know that it's been going around lately, don't you?"

Had I known you were giving me the DTaP vaccine, I would not have let you give me the shot!"

"You signed the release form where it clearly states you are receiving the DTaP, sir. It's too late now..."

The nurse rolled her eyes at me and stalked out of the treatment room with an air of contempt.

"Ah well, what's done is done," I thought to myself as I left the hospital.

If only I got off that easy.

I spent the next two months suffering from an immune system that had gone haywire from the triple-dose vaccination. Every little potential allergen I encountered would cause severe reactions from an uncontrollable runny nose and puffy, watery eyes, to incessant asthmatic episodes causing me to go through my medication like candy.

Prior to the injury that lead me to submitting to the Pharmaceutical-Healthcare-Industrial-Complexes inoculation protocol, I had largely brought my lifetime conditions of allergies and asthma under control through careful, mindful eating of real food,and a vigilant routine of keeping my domicile as clean as possible.

In the past five years, an asthma rescue inhaler would last me six to eight months. I rarely had to use it...perhaps a dose or two once a week or so. Prior to the lifestyle changes I embarked upon since joining the Paleo-tard Cult, I had to use the damn thing about three to four times a day.

After getting vaxxed, I was using it six to eight times a day, just to keep breathing clearly. I also went through cases of kleenex dealing with incessant allergy attacks. A whiff of a strangers perfume or cologne...some errant auto exhaust, or the tendrils of cigarette smoke were all it took to trigger an asthma and/or allergy episode. Just the dust kicked up from scooping my chicken feed from the bin was enough to trigger an allergic event that had me scrambling for my rescue inhaler.

In addition to my hyper-sensitivity to allergens, I also contracted two different head/chest colds that had the latter episode turn into a case of bronchitis, as well as a bout of stomach flu. These are things that I have not experienced in years, prior to getting that damnable injection.

Which of course led me to once again donning my tin foil-constructed Conspiritard cap and log on to teh Interwebz and do some research. This time I went far more in-depth on the topic of vaccinations than I had before...and what I found was indeed mind bending.

When I first joined the Paleo-tard Cult, I noted the following:

We are a CONSPIRACY Cult, because many of our tenets and proscriptions are based on the realization that there does in fact exist entities and organizations that are in fact profiting off of making sure the average person eats the wrong foods and suffers the ill effects so that they can make themselves rich selling you pharmaceutical treatments that alleviate or mitigate the symptoms for those conditions. These entities are in the Government, the media and the educational institutions, as well as various industries.

What I think I've discoverd goes far beyond that initial supposition I had back then.

So first things first, I research the DTaP vaccine. What I found was positively infuriating. Before I even went to the conspiratorial outposts of the lunatic fringes of teh Interwebz, I looked at the holy grail of Science -- The Institute of Manufactured Consensus -- a.k.a. Pub-Med, and found a rather illuminating abstract on the topic:

Effects of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis or tetanus vaccination on allergies and allergy- related respiratory symptoms among children and adolescents in the United States.



Findings from animal and human studies confirm that diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and pertussis (DTP) and tetanus vaccinations induce allergic responses; associations between childhood vaccinations and subsequent allergies have been reported recently.


The association of DTP or tetanus vaccination with allergies and allergy-related respiratory symptoms among children and adolescents in the United States was assessed.


Data were used from the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey on infants aged 2 months through adolescents aged 16 years. DTP or tetanus vaccination, lifetime allergy history, and allergy symptoms in the past 12 months were based on parental or guardian recall. Logistic regression modeling was performed to estimate the effects of DTP or tetanus vaccination on each allergy.


The odds of having a history of asthma was twice as great among vaccinated subjects than among unvaccinated subjects (adjusted odds ratio, 2.00; 95% confidence interval, 0.59 to 6.74). The odds of having had any allergy-related respiratory symptom in the past 12 months was 63% greater among vaccinated subjects than unvaccinated subjects (adjusted odds ratio, 1.63; 95% confidence interval, 1.05 to 2.54). The associations between vaccination and subsequent allergies and symptoms were greatest among children aged 5 through 10 years.


DTP or tetanus vaccination appears to increase the risk of allergies and related respiratory symptoms in children and adolescents. Although it is unlikely that these results are entirely because of any sources of bias, the small number of unvaccinated subjects and the study design limit our ability to make firm causal inferences about the true magnitude of effect.

Reading this brought back a jarring memory. I have always told everyone that I have had a "lifetime" of asthma and allergies. That I was born with it.

Only I wasn't. It only seems like it because I've been suffering with the affliction for almost four decades. But what I had forgotten...and now remember quite clearly, was my first real asthma attack that required an emergency room visit. I had been running around at recess playing kickball with my classmates when I was in the Fourth Grade while attending my local public school, and after taking my seat at the start of the next class period, I realized I was wheezing and had an acute shortness of breath. I had to go to the school Nurses office and my Mother had to come and pick me up and take me to the emergency room. After receiving an albuterol updraft treatment, I was given my first prescription asthma rescue inhaler.

This memory coincides with another one I had from that same time period. Just prior to that first asthmatic event, I had stepped on a nail when my friends and I were playing at a construction site near our neighborhood. My Mother took me to the hospital where I received a tetanus shot. I know my memory as far as my age is not suspect on this, because one of the things my Mother gave me when I became an adult and moved out on my own, was my immunization records that I still have in my safe with all my other legal documents. I checked before writing this....and sure enough, the date of my tetanus shot coincides with my time in the fourth grade...i.e. I was nine years old at the time.

"DTP or tetanus vaccination appears to increase the risk of allergies and related respiratory symptoms in children and adolescents."

The realization hit me like a lightning bolt. All of the suffering, middle-of-the-night emergency room visits, all of the drop-outs from events and activities because of my "condition" as a kid. The several hospitalizations I've endured when the rescue inhaler was not enough to stop the attacks. The endless experiments with a multitude of medications with a wide array of side effects, some unpleasant and others downright debilitating; all of it, most likely caused by that vaccination I initially received when I stepped on a nail as a little boy.

Over thirty years later, after getting vaxxed again, and suffering the auto-immune responses for months after, I for one am thoroughly convinced.  I stand with the much vilified and ridiculed Jenny McCarthy.

Wackaloon....I like it. Sounds almost as catchy as Conspiritard....but I digress.

My recent research on the topic of vaccinations had me delving into the history of the practice and events that have been linked to the practice of injectable "preventative medicine." As I am a veteran navigator of the fetid fever swamps of the Conspiritard fringes of the interwebz, I found a plethora of websites that attributed a number of historical events that are officially considered organic "outbreaks" of deadly and debilitating diseases...like the Spanish Flu and Leprosy, to the more modern era epidemics of AIDS, ebola, swine flu and bird flu... all linked to the practice of malevolent and diabolical "preventative medicine" by injection.

Anyone interested in looking into the same corners of the fetid fever swamps of Conspiritard land that I did, should start here: Online Books by William Tebb.

To summarize....from a mind shielded by my hand-fashioned tin foil barrier from the hysteria inculcated by mass media and converged institutionalized indoctrination, and understanding the way in which the controllers of our Brave New World Order use Abracadabra and their satanic principle of inversions, I've come to the inescapable conclusion in my Vaxx-fevered mind, that the very thing we are supposed to gaining protection from by getting vaccinated, is it's precise source!

Of course, I must end this post with the obligatory disclaimer. I am not a Doctor, nor do I play one on teh Interwebz. Don't take your healthcare management advice from me. I'm just a Wackaloon Conspiritard that dares to do my own research and think for myself and ignore the conventional wisdom of mass media approval and the scientific-community-consensus.

You've been warned.

Sunday, July 31, 2016

Getting Paid to Deny Disrupt Degrade & Deceive

Everyone on teh Interwebz is aware of trolls, trolling behavior, and people who leave comments or post in forums that seem to follow a particular agenda of disrupting, dividing, or degrading the quality of discourse on a wide variety of topics.

Many people seem to be under the assumption that most trolls are not a problem, and simply loser-basement-dwelling creeps with nothing better to do than seek cheap thrills by ruining the overall experience for those folks who are genuinely interested participants in what they think are intellectually honest, online discussions.

"...most trolls have discovered that they can't elicit anything more mild annoyance from me and thereby give up...

...The crusader-troll attempts to DISQUALIFY DISQUALIFY the blogger by presenting alternate narratives to the blog readers."

In the case of Vox Day, he's certainly correct that trolls aren't really a problem on both his Vox Popoli and Alpha Game blogs, since he is quick to identify and ban any obvious trolls that appear in his prodigious and popular comment threads.

But while the obvious trolls are easily identified as unhinged ideologues and usually true believers in the $ocial Justice Warrior cause (indoctrinated liberal progressive adherents of cultural marxism -- useful idiots,) I believe the other, more insidious types of trolls, the paid shills and psy op agents are far more pervasive and common than honest to goodness "trolls." - a.k.a. stunted individuals looking for cheap thrills by being an asshole on teh Interwebz.

These shills are trained in tactics to generate a "desirable outcome" of promoting and reinforcing an established narrative, and they are paid for by shady business fronts laundering Government agency funds in service to a covert agenda of FedGov PsyOps, all to promote and reinforce PC establishment propaganda.

In other words, their exists an entire industry of cubicle farm-desk jockeys who get paid to do nothing more than sit in a boiler room styled setup at all hours and troll teh Interwebz.

You mean I've been trolling teh Interwebz all these years for free?!?!?

Investigative journalist and author, Glenn Greenwald thinks this is one of  the most important stories to arise from Edward Snowden's whistle blowing.

Over the last several weeks, I worked with NBC News to publish a series of articles about “dirty trick” tactics used by GCHQ’s previously secret unit, JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group). These were based on four classified GCHQ documents presented to the NSA and the other three partners in the English-speaking “Five Eyes” alliance. Today, we at the Intercept are publishing another new JTRIG document, in full, entitled “The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert Operations.”
By publishing these stories one by one, our NBC reporting highlighted some of the key, discrete revelations: the monitoring of YouTube and Blogger, the targeting of Anonymous with the very same DDoS attacks they accuse “hacktivists” of using, the use of “honey traps” (luring people into compromising situations using sex) and destructive viruses. But, here, I want to focus and elaborate on the overarching point revealed by all of these documents: namely, that these agencies are attempting to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online discourse, and in doing so, are compromising the integrity of the internet itself.
Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable.

One excellent case study of this attempt to achieve a "desirable outcome" is demonstrated by the now infamous attempted cover up and censorship related to the Quinnspiracy.*

Most denizens of teh Interwebz would have never even heard of this five-timing slut cum "game developer" if it weren't for the Striesand effect that caused the story to go viral and turn into #GamerGate. By exposing the moderators at reddit and 4chan as compromised agents, the topic of shills being paid to troll teh Interwebz became widely accepted as conspiracy fact (as opposed to regularly dismissed as "conspiracy theory.")

During this entire debacle, the Vulture of Critique blog, linked to an article that may have revealed at least one possible source for the seemingly inexplicable and sudden heavy-handed moderation at 4chan:

In early 2008, the owner/administrator of 4chan was approached by representatives af the Arizona ICAC in cooperation with the U.S. Department of Justice and federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement. 

The agents approached 4chan’s administrator following a year-long investigation into the site. Of concern to the Doj, ICE, and AZ-ICAC representatives was the routine trafficking of Child Sexual Abuse (CSA) images and links on 4chan.org’s /b/ board among others.

So agents of FedGov approached 4chan regarding allegations of regular trafficking of child porn occurring on 4chan's servers. After some "negotiations" with 4chan to cooperate in a "honeypot" sting operation that did not get the desired results, the FedGov actually seized the physical hardware of 4chan and set it up in their own controlled facility to supposedly catch kiddie porn hustlers.

Beginning shortly after the cooperation between 4chan’s administrator and law enforcement began, the administrator of 4chan was advised by the law enforcement agencies working the case to stay off of /b/ completely. Later he was ordered to remote all “civilian’ moderators/janitors from /b/ and to hand the /b/ moderation accounts exclusively to the law enforcement agents working 4chan – so they could more quickly trap and take down CSA materials.

Finally. and also earlier this year 4chan’s servers WERE effectively “seized.” They were moved out of the old data center in Los Angeles and placed into a nearby facility directly controlled by an unnamed federal law enforcement agency. There’s now just plain gigabit Ethernet fiber between the web site’s current tier 1 transit provider and the 4chan servers inside that factlity with no commercial hosting provider involved to speak of. This I have no further information on or what the implications are.

So, folks, if 4chan is now actually a FedGov sting operation since at least 2008, what does that imply given 4chan's apparent cooperation in the collusion of all the other Gamer-Journo sites and Reddit's attempted cover up of the "Quinnspiracy?"

Does all this sound utterly ludicrous and too fantastic to be true? Take heed...as previously noted, in his first term, President Barack Obama appointed Cass Sunstein as the head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs.

Sunstein advocates that the Government’s stealth infiltration should be accomplished by sending covert agents into “chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups.”  He also proposes that the Government make secret payments to so-called “independent” credible voices to bolster the Government’s messaging (on the ground that those who don’t believe government sources will be more inclined to listen to those who appear independent while secretly acting on behalf of the Government).

It's no crackpot theory that the Federal Government of USA Inc. is engaged in psy-op mindwars on teh Interwebz. It's an openly admitted policy from an administration official who publicly advocated for such measures before he was appointed head of an Executive Branch Office.

Exciting Career Opportunities with the NSA-DHS-DoD-CIA-OIRA CyberWar Industrial Complex!

But it's not just FedGov of USAInc. that's doing this. We are living in the age of converging Globalism. Note the following from The Secret Playbook of Internet Trolls:

It is well-known that foreign  governments and large companies troll online...
I still remember quite clearly the first time I encountered the idea of paid shills infesting the Interwebz. It was a piece entitled I Was A Paid Internet Shill that was originally posted at the Above Top Secret Forum, that quickly went viral. I remember when I first read it, that I didn't quite believe it at the time.

Despite the Above Top Secret forum moderators locking the thread and declaring the original post was a hoax...it seems to me that ATS got converged and ordered to do some damage control. Note the link to the Truthseeker blog had the following updates posted to it:

Update 1/12/2013: CLN has received a takedown notice asking us to remove this article on the basis that “It is libelous and utterly false” from someone claiming to be a legal agent of Above Top Secret’s parent company. We are currently investigating and will post status updates as they become available. The original thread now appears to have vanished from Above Top Secret’s website.

Update 1/17/2013: We have requested clarification regarding the takedown request and have not received a response. We will provide updates on any new developments.

Somebody somewhere didn't like this "hoax" existing on the web. In 2012 when I first read the confession, it sounded ludicrous and improbable. At the present, I now believe the original posting is probably true in it's entirety. The tactics and training described in the post certainly fits the modus operandi of the more obvious cases of shill trolling one can find almost anywhere on teh Interwebz in 2016:

If a poster wrote something close to “X,” we were supposed to respond with something close to “Y.” “You have to mix it up a bit, though,” said my trainer. “Otherwise it gets too obvious. Learn to use a thesaurus.” This section also contained a number of hints for de-railing conversations that went too far away from what we were attempting. These strategies included various forms of personal attacks, complaining to the forum moderators, smearing the characters of our opponents, using images and icons effectively, and even dragging the tone of the conversation down with sexual innuendo, links to pornography, or other such things. “Sometimes we have to fight dirty,” or trainer told us. “Our opponents don’t hesitate to, so we can’t either.”

Apparently, the lying and deceit and acting like an asshole became too much for our ex-shill whistleblower to deal with:

After a while of doing this, I started to feel bad. Not because of the views I was pushing (as I said, I was first apolitical, then pro-Israel), but because of the dishonesty involved. If my arguments were so correct, I wondered, why did we have to do this in the first place? Shouldn’t truth propagate itself naturally, rather than through, well…propaganda? And who was behind this whole operation, anyway? Who was signing my paychecks? The stress of lying to my parents and friends about being a “consultant” was also getting to me. Finally, I said enough was enough. I quit in September 2011. Since then I’ve been working a series of unglamorous temp office jobs for lower pay. But at least I’m not making my living lying and heckling people who come online to express their views and exercise freedom of speech.

A professional troll had an attack of conscience? Stranger things have happened....

In conclusion, we must strive to remember that no matter what job any of us do, no matter how hard, laborious or dirty we may get to earn our scrip wages to survive in our Brave New World Order, there is always a worse job than yours. I certainly couldn't live with myself if my main vocation was being a paid troll.


Relevant Links:

Confession of a Hillary Clinton Shill

Astroturfing Information Megathread

Dispelling Internet Disinformation Tactics – Debunking the Debunkers

Disinformation Strategies Exposed – Please Don’t Feed The Trolls

Paid Internet Trolls


* This post has been sitting in my draft folder for almost two years - hence the links to old articles and citing old news events like the beginning stages of #GamerGate.

I had forgotten about this draft until reading Vox's recent post at Alpha Game about dealing with trolls, which reminded me I had an unfinished post on the topic.